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. >> nbc news expert michael leiter also been reporting on this. why all of the conflicting information? >> frankly, we have a lot of reporters running stories that aren't perfectly sourced. everyone is trying to beat someone to the gun rather than necessarily getting things right. and there is inherent confusion in government especially when have you multiple agencies working this. people get called and they aren't really involved in what is going on but they feel like they have to prove their worth and they are saying things that they don't know. so people are trying it make a names for themselves on the inside. people are trying to make a name for themselves on the outside. unfortunately you end up taking time away from investigators trying to do the work. >> let's get back to the investigation. we know there will be an fbi press conference at 5:00. what kind of information, what do you expect to come out of that? >> i think this will be a general update. but i think they have probably delayed it a little bit because there is so much going on right now. so undoubtedly they will give
on september 11th, nearly 12 years ago. michael leiter is an nbc news national security analyst. he's the former director of the national counterterrorism center in washington. michael, thanks for joining us. where i'm sitting is about four blocks from the crime scene. but on a area about a block away is being treated as a crime scene. i'm sure investigators have been working into the night and will be working around the clock. what are the first things they're looking for, michael? >> good morning, chris. they're going to do a number of things simultaneously. as you referenced, right around the scene, they're going to secure a fairly wide area. they have to get as much evidence as they can from the actual bomb blast. that's important to understand the type of explosives that were used, how they were detonated. and then, that can be compared against past similar explosions. to try to determine who is responsible. second, they're going to be talking to enormous number of people in the area. what did they see in they're going to be collecting videotape. and all that will be combined w
. pete, thanks. >>> michael leiter is our national security analyst at nbc news, former director of the national counterterrorism center in washington. michael, two things. overseas veterans of the wars the past ten years and those of us who spent time there, number one, the primary explosion, then the secondary explosion as people are running to the first. and number two, the nature of these injuries. an explosive device apparently with added shrapnel. that haunts everybody involved. >> yes, brian. the idea of using two explosive devices, the first charge which attracts to some extent the first responders -- police, fire, medical -- and then have a second charge go off that's targeting those responders potentially is the sign of a more sophisticated attack. as you noted, the shrapnel, the idea there could have been ball bearings or something else in these explosives specifically trying to kill or maim, not just trying to have a small explosion and get some attraction. the sign of a terrorist organization that's trying to kill people. >> here we are in the post 9/11 era. while it
terrorism center, michael leiter. he's also an nbc national security analyst. thank you for being here. >> good morning. >> as this investigation gets underway, what steps are investigators taking right now to try to piece this all together? >> the investigators are obviously going to start at the scene. they're going to secure that area as the mayor and police chief have said. that will be a wide cordon. they want to get as much evidence as they can from the devices themselves and the fragments they left. that's important for understanding the signatures that might be paired with past attacks or other groups. from there, they'll spread out. they'll talk to everyone. they'll look at video cameras from businesses. they'll look at records for cars in the area. that will be combined with the fbi -- at the fbi joint terrorism task force, with information that is collected from really across the country and across the world, to see if there's any indicators from past intelligence or current reporting that might give investigators a better sense of who is behind this. >> and what can you tel
director of the national counterterrorism center. michael leiter is our nbc news counterterrorism analyst. you received from your sources a caution today that this perhaps was running on ahead of itself. and this can have a bad effect on an investigation. >> absolutely. with all the media reporting about the possible arrests, they are very worried about the person or people being spooked and they are nervous about expectations at this point. for a while people were saying it's not going fast enough. now people expect an arrest in the near hours and the fact is knowing the person it can still take some time. >> now about the evidence. we have a big haystack here. so far we have found some of the needles down to the zipper pull on what could have been the bag and the wires and the battery. we also have imagery -- tons of it -- and that has to be a big early help. >> that is invaluable. it's something even three or four years ago we wouldn't have had. all of that imagery from the stores, the police and people, you combine that with the forensic evidence and the secret intelligence we are not
up in boston into those bombings. nbc analyst michael leiter was director of the national counterterrorism center and clint van zandt is a profiler. all of this is a key related, battery pack, circuit board, news about the pressure cooker. a piece of it discovered. so much physical evidence and then the picture taken by the video surveillance camera at lord & ta are lo, we've confirmed, it's a picture of someone putting down a black bag, some sort of shopping bag, and then walking away from the bomb site. >> well, it's been a very good day, chris, and it's interesting as we started this before the information came out, the refrain we're hearing is why do we know so little at this point and the fact is, as we've said over and over, it takes time. now, what you just described is two legs or three-legged stool. you've got the forensic evidence from the blast site. that's helping them understand the bomb and how it was made. potentially you can trace things there. the secon leg of that stool is the photographic evidence and videotape which is just invaluable and then the third
. we're going to turn now to nbc's michael leiter. he's a terrorism analyst. he's joining us now from washington, d.c. michael, just from what we've heard as it unfolded all night long, complete chaos still in some areas, especially in watertown, massachusetts, where a suspect is still at large and clearly extremely dangerous. but the latest information about the suspects, what does that tell you? >> well, it tells me that honestly these guys probably don't lack the sophistication that people started imagining when we were just talking about the pressure cooker bomb. it was very, very simple and not much to it. they had obviously planned a lot out. i think that's how the fbi and boston authorities had been approaching this. although they now thought they recognized two, who knows how dangerous they could be, what else they could have set up, improvised explosive devices on their body they were carrying. this shows these two had thought a lot about this for a long time. we saw some of that planning with the precise placing of the bombs right there at the finish line. >> yeah, the braze
. >> michael leiter who was, among other things, in the room the night of the bin laden raid when it was planned and orders carried out from the situation room. former head of counter terrorism for this country, michael, walk us through what is likely to happen now. what's the first set of official eyeballs that will sit down across from or ride with this suspect. especially for those of us who would simply like to know what it takes for a 19-year-old to be convinced that putting a bomb down next to little kids is a good idea. >> brian, as pete mentioned during the christmas day bomber in 2009, we hadn't fully established a protocol and discussion about how a terror suspect would be interrogated. we worked through the problem more. there will have already been prethis arrest a very extensive discussion between the fbi and the rest of the intelligence community about how such an interrogation will occur and what the key issues are. the fbi is in charge as the law enforcement entity for the federal government in charge of the investigation. but they will have already have worked wit
chertoff, former director of the national counterterrorism center michael leiter. then, how the marathon bombings changed things after such painful loss. >> we have to look at the death of our -- she was a wonderful person, and -- everybody -- everybody that knew her loved her. >> there were powerful signs of resilience. alongside a renewed sense of vulnerability as a manhunt virtually shut down a major american city. we hear from assistant senate majority leader dick durbin of illinois, and our special roundtable. >>> and good sunday morning. what a week it has been. developments are still moving very quickly in the boston terror story. we want to go for the very latest this morning to the governor of massachusetts, deval patrick, who is with us this morning from boston. governor, it's good to see you, and congratulations on the end of a very difficult week. >> well, i accept your congratulations on behalf of the extraordinary team of law enforcement folks who have done this the right way, by building from facts up to a theory rather than from a theory out. >> governor, the "boston glob
investigative correspondent for nbc news. with me here in the studio is nbc news terrorism expert michael leiter. former director of the national counterterrorism center. thank you both for joining me. michael isikoff, let me go to you first. "the boston globe" is reporting that officials have recovered a second -- from the scene of the exploexs. what is your take on that? >> well, the fbi would not confirm that at the briefing we just had. they did confirm there are two devices, both in black nylon bags. search -- pressure cooker bombs. one point that i thought was quite interesting that fbi special agent in charge deloria made, these are heavy bombs. two heavy bombs in black nylon bags at two locations about 75 to 100 yards away from each other that were set off within 12 seconds. it remains an open question whether that could have been done by one perpetrator or more than one to have placed those two bags within a short period of time in this open, crowded area and not be noticed. it does raise questions whether one person could have pulled that off. i should tell you that a couple of other p
a tremendous sense of what happened. let's go to michael leiter. i'm well beyond my ability in talking about this but tell me where i'm right or wrong. he said it was clearly outside but he think it is came from the trash cans. >> it's possible. it's really hard to tell, chris. we've seen over and over today, this started about 2:50. i would say about half of what we hear is right and half of what we hear later on is wrong. we heard that there was a bomb at the jfk library. >> exactly. >> we have to take this slowly and the president was right about that. it's going to be a methodical investigation. could they have been in the trash can? it's certainly a possibility. were they timed to go off later and potentially hurt first responders, we're not sure yet. >> what does it tell you that the people lost legs and limbs, going horizontally, the blast. >> it suggests that the blast was close to those people and across the ground rather than something higher up. that's self-explanatory. shrapnel may have been included. what this shows, at least, is these are not small incendiary devices. this was
isikoff and former director of the national counterterrorism center michael leiter. and former fbi profiler clint van zandt. let me start with michael leiter. the other day, it seems like a year ago, two, three days ago you, had this sense, professional instinct, if you will, that this killer, one of the two bombers, was a local. tell me how you came to that assessment. >> well, chris, my take -- >> he is a local. >> he is a local and he's got deep ties to boston. and my take was there's no doubt that the boston marathon is a worldwide known event, but unlike many of the targets, a lot of people really have used in the past, there's something specific to boston about it. there's something specific about the finish line and about patriots day and my take from that was that this is someone who knew the city, knew the region, knew what would be most terrorizing to boston. >> knew the heart of the city. >> absolutely. >> knew to hit the heart. clint van zandt, your sense now of where are we going? this has become sort of like the friday night bronco chase, if you will, in a very wide m
me now, nbc news justin correspondent pete williams and michael leiter. pete, ha have you learn about the bombs themselves? >> well, what we're told by authorities, andrea, is that they're crudely made. they appear to have been assembled inside a pressure cooker. it may be some of our younger viewers don't know what that is, but in the olden days when you wanted to make something tender, you put it in this pot with a tight lid on it. and the steam wouldn't escape and you could build up pressure and things cook faster in them. the premicrowave days. inside a pot like this, a pressure cooker is assembled the device. it includes a low-power explosive. something like black or smokeless powder, gun powder, if you will. not a high explosive like dynamite or a plastic explosive or the common tatp, which seems to be the one of voice of terrorists when they build bombs, terror bombs overseas. so it's crudely made, it's set off they believe by some kind of electronic timer. it's carried to the scene, they believe, in some kind of back pack and then just set down before the devices go off. unfor
analyst, michael leiter, a former fbi agent, mike rogers, former secretary of homeland security under president bush, michael chertoff. and in just a few minutes we'll be joined by the assistant majority leader dick durbin, but i want to begin here with pete and mike liter on the latest in terms of what we're tracking. the big question at this moment is was there a foreign connection to terrorism? what do we know? >> well, we don't know the answer to that question. the big gap here is what was the older brother doing in russia for six months last year? he leaves in january, arrives in july, and the russians have told the fbi that they were a little worried about him. but what was he doing during all that time in russia? his father says he was visiting him, that he went to see his family, went to renew his russian passport while he was awaiting american citizenship. he was here as a lawful resident. did he -- the thing i think that's the biggest question for investigators now is, "a," why did he turn this way? but, "b," where did he get his expertise in explosives? where did he practic
, which are to describe them. >> let me bring in michael leiter. michael, what are your sources telling you? >> well, be honest, i don't always check with folks during this critical time. folks may not like that. but this is a fluid situation. what i would tell you from my experience in the white house is there is a lot of information flying around right now. it is quite clear to me that investigation has accelerated. that people who are of interest have been identified. whether or not that's led it arrest, this is where information always falls apart. i expect over the coming hours, we will have more come out from the fbi. my guess is a combination of cell phones tracking, forensics from the bomb, video from the site. all of that will become the additive whole that indeed an individual or individuals of interest at least, have been identified, and some may be brought into custody. >> and we know that, michael, the fbi is the lead investigative body, if you will. they are collecting all of the evidence. to the point that pete made, a senior official says under is no rest. no person even
. >>> joining us now in new york, michael leiter, an nbc news terrorism expert and former director of the national counterterrorism center. with us from boston, kevin cullen, columnist with "the boston globe." michael, you and i were just talking about, just with the volume of forensic evidence, how are they making decisions about what leads to pursue and sort of what to do with all this evidence? >> yes. there's a huge amount of physical evidence, digital media. that's the videotape and the like. and there's, of course, all the intelligence that we're not hearing about and we shouldn't hear about. the clandestinely collected human intelligence, signals intelligence. phone calls, e ma-mails and the like. what you have is a large joint terrorism task force in boston that is kind of collecting a lot of this. back in washington you have fundamentally every bit of the federal government, department of homeland security, fbi, putting hundreds if not thousands of people on this. prioritizing that is a really key element. at the very beginning, they're going to pursue almost everything th
. pete williams is nbc's justice correspondent. michael leiter is former direction of the national counterterrorism center. pete, this morning we've heard a lot about this individual who was questioned overnight and then his home was searched. we heard michael isikoff mention that it's actually two saudis that have been investigated, but this doesn't appear to be -- >> they were the two that were in his apartment. right. >> there doesn't appear to be much to this, right? spl well, it's too soon to know. there have been some conflicting accounts about what he was doing right before and right after the bombing. he was seen running from the scene. well, of course a lot of people were. but he had severe burns. apparently his clothing was on fire. and that means that he was obviously standing very close to one of the devices. so that makes him suspicious in the minds of some people. he's been questioned. one official told me this morning -- i said could it turn out that he was just an innocent bystander and the official said, yes, it could. but nonetheless, just to show how thorough thi
jansing, correspondent michael isicoff and michael leiter here, as well. chris, i want to begin with you as you spent an hour on site there talking with people that have been dealing with this tragedy. i think one of the more interesting things revealed was the fact that the police department is calling this the most complex crime scene that they have ever encountered. >> it is not surprising, i don't think, thomas. that crime scene processed just a few blocks behind where i'm sitting but bostonians as people around the country trying to process what happened here, huge headline in "the boston globe" that says marathon error and very, very graphic picture of what happened here almost indescribable. 176 people as you talked about injured. including brothers. they had gone to watch a friend run the race. their mother with five children got a call. both of her sons lost a leg. and then you talked about the youngest victim, the 8-year-old. his mother had brain surgery. his other sibling also lost a leg. so the tragedy, the depth of the tragedy here, almost indescribable. and we heard a brief
, and misterrorism expert michael leiter, and bob herbert, a distinguished senior fellow at dimos. >>> let's go to kristin welker for more. >> reporter: alex, good afternoon. here's what we know at this hour. this letter was received yesterday at an off-site mail facility. i want to emphasize that. it did not get close to the white house. it's typical for letters sent to this facility to undergo a screening. during that process, it was discovered that a letter addressed to president obama did contain a suspicious substance action as you mentioned, similar to the letter that was sent to senator wicker. so right now secret service is working in concert with the fbi, with the capitol police, to determine exactly who sent this letter why and what the motive is. we are expecting press secretary jay carney to deliver his daily briefing. i want to make sure this is very clear. this was a scheduled briefing for 11:45, so we expect him to come out at any minute. he will undoubtedly get a number of questions about this situation, about this suspicious her that was sent to president obama. of course, the
to help us understand what this means is michael leiter. he's an nbc news national security analyst. mr. leiter, thank you for joining us. >> good to be here, rachel. >> we know the letters contained some amount of ricin. they do not know the potency of it. how significant does that seem to you? >> honestly, until we get the final results probably tomorrow morning, i would still not read much into it. these were tested twice in the field, first the automatic detector was set off, the field test was set off. that shows an element there and anybody can get them and be matched up. the lab tests show whether the caster beams in the match have been processed so it is actually the protein, the toxic protein, of ricin. and you have to figure out how much ricin there is, how potent it is. that is still inconclusive. until we get to tomorrow morning, we can't say whether or not there's ricin there versus elements of caster beans. >> i know from reading enough about it, they are what you make ricin out of, i know it's something considered to be one of the poisons that you can do without a large-s
in michael leiter of, an nbc news terrorism expert. good afternoon, mike. what do you make of these possible connections between the two brothers and chechnyan terrorists? >> what we really know their ethnic is chechen. the one brother has traveled to chechnya. we really, really can't go down the road yet of assuming, even assessing is likely, that they were, in fact, linked to chechen group such as the islamic jihad union, iju. that really is premature. i think probably more likely at this point is the older brother might possibly at least have seen something in the relationship between chechnya and russia, the struggling chechnya, that drove him in a direction of extremism. that's more likely. but i would say the direct connection too early to say. >> because up to this point, chechen independence movements, chechen terrorists have been concerned about the location, the geography, of their own nation. that didn't previously involve the united states of america. >> that's absolutely right, and i think that's another reason why a direct connection from a chechen terrorist group in terms of d
by an entire nation. joining me now is michael leiter, former director of the national counterterrorism center. let's walk through an investigation which involves two brothers who spent at least half their lives in the united states. now, being accused of terrorism. where does this -- where is the jumping-off point here. because these are, at least the surviving brother, is a u.s. citizen. >> morning, alex. first of all, the investigation really continues from everything that they've already collected. obviously they had the for ensic evidence and the surveillance tape. they've been exploiting the home, they've been looking at computers. and from here, it's really two basic questions. why did they do it? and was anyone else involved? and in terms of other people's involvement, not just were people directing it, but how did they become radicalized, if that turns out to be the case. with whom were they speaking? and tracking all of their financial connections, their telecommunications, to see where else they touched to make sure that the fbi understands the complete network that might exist here
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necessarily. >> michael leiter in our washington bureau. thank you, as always. across town we go to the white house. chuck todd was in the briefing room when the president entered about 6:10 p.m. tonight to give his remarks on what the white house was comfortable saying so far. chuck. >> reporter: i can tell you this, brian. one of the things the president did not say is he did not call this terrorism. this is, i can tell you from talking to sources, this was discussed and the decision was made not to have the president use that specific word. a national security official does e-mail and says this, to clarify, any event with multiple explosive devices, as this appears to be, is clearly an act of terror and will be approached as an act of terror. however, we do not know yet who carried out this attack and a thorough investigation will have to determine whether it was planned and carried out by a terrorist group, foreign or domestic. so they're being very careful with their language. we know the president has been briefed all day from the fbi director. now his homeland security director, his ow
counterterrorism center, michael leiter. in light of what we just talked about, michael, the victims, the reasons they were there, their families and the pain so many people are going through, it's so frustrating to hear there is so little known right now about who did this and why and accountability. >> it's, obviously, so tragic, mika. i'm going to maybe disagree a little bit about progress and i know people are impatient. it's impossible not to hear these stories and want to know why, how, who did this. the fact is we are not even 39 hours into this investigation. in fact, i think a lot of progress was made yesterday identifying in some detail the components of all the bomb, how the bombs were covered and how they, in some ways, how they were delivered potentially the great picture near the mailbox of the bag. that is absolutely critical. and i would remind that we were talking about london before. the idea the entire city is wired for surveillance. it took the brits weeks and months to get through that surveillance tape and actually piece everything together. so i know it is hard going throug
a sophisticated triggering mechanism, michael leiter telling us of lesser importance in narrowing down the suspect in terms of expertise and training but more important to give clues to trace to the source to find out how the bomb was assembled and where the pieces came from that allowed the bomber to put it together. keep it here at msnbc. obviously the story is developing tonight. we'll keep you posted. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. stay with us. >>> tonight, we are live in boston with new pictures of the moment the carnage began and new clues in the investigation and new stories of the heart break of those killed, including the 8-year-old boy happily growing up on the same streets where i grew up. >> no claims of responsibility. the range of suspects and motives remain wide open. >> who was behind twin bombings? >> someone knows who did this. >> grieve for our neighbors. >> taken to six hospitals. >> three people dead, more than 176 injured. that 8-year-old boy is martin richard. >> 8-year-old martin richard is among those killed. >> 29-year-old kry
recovered at the scene. that's important. a sophisticated triggering mechanism, michael leiter telling us may be of lesser importance in narrowing down the suspect in terms of expertise and training but more important to give clues to trace to the source to find out how the bomb was assembled and where the pieces came from that allowed the bomber to put it together. keep it here at msnbc. obviously the story is developing tonight. we'll keep you posted. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. stay with us.
triggering mechanism, michael leiter telling us of lesser importance in narrowing down the suspect in terms of expertise and training but more important to give clues to trace to the source to find out how the bomb was assembled and where the pieces came from that allowed the bomber to put
the counterterrorism national security professionals room to do their job. >> michael leiter thank you for your time and expertise. >>> despite the many news conferences and updates, there's more questions than answers about what happened yesterday. we'll go live to boston and talk with one of the eye witnesses to the bombings, coming up next on "now." welcome to the new new york state, where cutting taxes for families and businesses is our business. we've reduced taxes and lowered costs to save businesses more than two billion dollars to grow jobs, cut middle class income taxes to the lowest rate in sixty years, and we're creating tax free zones for business startups. the new new york is working creating tens of thousands of new businesses, and we're just getting started. to grow or start your business visit thenewny.com departure. hertz gold plus rewards also offers ereturn-- our fastest way to return your car. just note your mileage and zap ! you're outta there ! we'll e-mail your receipt in a flash, too. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz. introducing chase liquid. c
for a good long time. michael leiter, counterterrorism, cyber security, national annist for us. served as the director of national counterterrorism center from '08 to july of 2011. was in the room during the bin laden raid. michael, you've been watching and listening to the coverage. give us an expert's eye view. what do you think we have here and what would you be looking for? >> well, the first thing i would say, brian, is at this point, kind of an hour into the event, we still have to accept that the information is going to be incredibly fragmentary and a lot of it's going to be wrong. all of the boston city police department, the federal government, mostly the fbi, the department of homeland security, the white house, everyone is now scrambling to understand what exactly happened in that location. and away from boston, people are starting to put in place some of the preventative security measures that chuck todd just mentioned at the white house. so i expect that we'll start to see some additional police presence in cities like new york, los angeles, chicago. my initial take right
ways. that we'll press on. michael leiter, former director of national counterterrorism center. good to have you here. thank you, sir. >> thank you, rachel. >> i want to tell you the fbi has set up a phone number for anybody to call with information on today's attack. they are describing their call for tips in terms of people who may know anything about what happened in boston today. in terms of no information being too insignificant. no potential lead being too small. if you do have information that you think might be of help in the investigation into what happened today in boston, the number to call is easy to remember. it's 1-800-call-fbi. 1-800-call-fbi. which translates to 1-800-225-5324. all right. we are live at mass general hospital in boston. stay with us here on msnbc. we'll be right back. [ coughs ] [ angry gibberish ] [ justin ] mulligan sir. mulligan. take a mulligan. i took something for my sinuses, but i still have this cough. [ male announcer ] truth is, a lot of sinus products don't treat cough. they don't? [ male announcer ] nope, but alka seltzer plus severe sinus
but not much more than that. >> michael leiter, thank you so much. been with us throughout this. thank you so much. meantime at the white house, president obama this morning will be briefed on the latest developments by fbi director robert mueller and other senior members of his team. white house official says the boston bombings appear to be an act of terror. although the president stopped short of calling the attack terrorism. now, house homeland security committee chairman michael mccall had this to say. >> we still do not know who did this or why. and people shouldn't jump to conclusions before we have all the facts. but make no mistake, we will get to the bottom of this. and we will find out who did this, we'll find out why they did this. >> simultaneous bombing, mass casualties, spectacular event. all the briefings we ever get on a potential terrorist attack, all the ingredients that are in there and we saw that, unfortunately, yesterday which led me to call this an act of terrorism. >> let's bring in matt visor, "boston globe" white house correspondent. i was thinking listening to the
michael leiter with us this morning from washington. michael, this is an incredible law enforcement effort that we have seen overnight and into this morning. door-to-door searches in the town of watertown. a military conqoi of 15 military vehicles by one count from our sources there on the ground. was does this tell you with all of the people locked inside their homes? >> this tells me we haven't seen anything like this since 9/11. the scale of shutting down whole communities. it also says that unsurprisingly officials are taking this so seriously. especially when you've now found one of the perpetrators with an ied on his body. they have to move incredibly carefully because they are going to expect to see other ieds and improvised explosive devices and boobytraps everywhere they go. >> think where they live and an area they have a new type of crime scene if they were so armed along the way of this route from this chase yesterday. >> authorities say they believe these are the same two that committed the marathon bombings on monday so who knows what they are capable of and one still out the
? michael leiter served as the director of the national counterterrorism center under presidents bush and obama. good morning to you. >> good morning, matt. >> let's talk about something else that's come up. the older brother, tamerlan, came onto the fbi radar back in 2011. i know you have a copy of something now that i have as well. this is a statement from the fbi. the question is once he came on the radar, what happened to him? bear with me. this is from the fbi. once the fbi learned the identities of the two brothers today, the fbi reviewed its records and determined that in early 2011 a foreign government asked fbi for information about tamerlan tsarnaev. it was based on information that he was a follower of radical islam and strong believer and he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the united states for travel to the country's region to join unspecified underground groups. where did it go from there, michael? >> a couple of points, matt. first, we have to put this in context. the fbi and the national counterterrorism center that i led receives about 10,00
hospitals of where this happened. i was talking to michael leiter, former head of the counterterrorism unit here in the united states and he said in 2011 they ran a drill looking at something like a mumbai style attack, someone started shooting civilians, they ran a drill in the city of boston so they were prepared in an odd way. you didn't hear story of chaos. the triage went well, the right people went to the right hospitals. this was top level care and you think how much worse it could have been. >> you also realize how much this is a calling for those people who do that for a living. we talk about careers when you're a kid, what do i want to be when i grow up and these doctors, these nurses, these emts, that is a calling. >> the story, a lot of these people are trained but the people the average people who ran toward the explosion, after the explosion. >> the marathon runners who finished and went to donate blood right after, literally running straight to hospitals to help out. it's incredible. >> this is something that the terrorists want to tear us apart. i think it unites us. >> no q
work. >> michael leiter thank you very much. we'll send it back to matt in boston. >> thank you very much. as we mentioned many of the injured remain in hospitals this morning. nick and leanne ianna were watching the race when they were hit by shrapnel from the blast. they're at tufts medical center, good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> leighanne, let me start a asking you, what are the extent of your injuries? >> i have an open tibula fracture and waiting to get a skin graft either today or tomorrow and then probably be put in a boot for the last part of the healing. >> and nick, how about you? were you injured as well? >> i was fortunate i only had a pierced eardrum. >> leanne, describe for me how close you were to the finish line, how close you were from where these devices were detonated? >> i'm not sure exactly where it was detonated. it sounded awfully close. we were probably about ten feet from the finish line. yeah, it was quite loud and definitely could smell the smoke and everything when it happened. >> and nick, i understand when you looked down and saw the ext
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